Understanding What Pain Is Trying to Say ft. Dr. Matt Hunt – Show Transcript:
Dr. Mark Sherwood 0:00
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Dr. Matt Hunt 1:10
Yeah, thanks for having me. I I have thought back just this week about just that giving spirit that you have just coming out and, and just giving of your time and loving on kid. It was such an awesome event, I really still feel blessed to this day and thinking about the time that you have and the effort that you put out for that. I appreciate it.
Dr. Mark Sherwood 1:27
Yeah, put out some muscle effort to still I’m still sore from that event. Thank you, sir. No, just kidding, like 10 years ago. So you know, I want to kind of hit on a couple things. You are a doctor of chiropractic by training. Now, you know, a lot of people would sort of say, Okay, well, you crack them and stack them or whatever, however we put that thing, whatever. But I want you to talk about the different styles, or modalities, if you will of chiropractic. And then kind of Which one do you lean to? And why and what makes it different?
Dr. Matt Hunt 2:01
Yeah, that’s a great question, I get that question asked a lot, because I am very different than what the typical person would go to. As far as education, chiropractic school is is very much we are all kind of taught about interference. What is interference, interference to the nervous system. The nervous system can control organs, glands, tissues, muscles, it controls everything that we do. So when we’re starting to talk about pain, pain is only just a small, little tiny bit of what the nervous system does. But chiropractic, we’re trained about interference. And when there’s interference to the nervous system, there’s going to be a problem. And most of the time, the people that are coming into us are coming in because they’re in pain, they’re having some issues, they’re having headaches, low back pain, or neck pain, or they’re noticing dizziness, there’s you know, you know, those are the big ones that we see every single day. But as chiropractors were trained how to find the interference, and how to hopefully remove that interference. Along with that, there’s, you know, there’s several very specific techniques within the field of chiropractic. And there’s over 250 techniques of chiropractic. Wow, so you said 250? Yeah, that’s what I’ve heard. I mean, you know, as far as I mean, those aren’t all taught in my school, there’s, you know, seven very specific ones, that Palmer College of Chiropractic, where I went, and then there’s that which they call the Palmer package. And we all have to learn that. And then there are several, you know, other ones that are fringed upon that, but like, the technique that I practice is still a very small, I’m like one of the I am the only one in Oklahoma that’s doing this specific technique right now. And so it’s very, very specific to looking at the body as a whole, where, when I was in chiropractic school, we looked at the body as, you know, a bone out of place. Okay. And granted, I was talking to my daughter’s martial arts instructor yesterday, and she was talking about, I think I have a rebel was like, Well, those are easy to put back in, we can help with that. But usually, there is some twisting that’s going on to the body that will make those reps go out of place. And so if you don’t get to the root cause of the twist, but along with getting that rib out of there, there’s going to be some issues.
Dr. Mark Sherwood 4:25
You put that because it is the concept, really this upstream healing approach that we talk about in this podcast all the time. We just we haven’t talked about its upstream healing approach when we’re talking about, you know, pain, interference, bones at a place joints at a place, etc. So you are talking about a style of figuring out why things happened. Is that it would you say that’s accurate?
Dr. Matt Hunt 4:53
Absolutely. Absolutely. Going back to the going back to the first trauma and injury that we look at, you know, and then I’ll
Go back real quickly with there’s several different the techniques, you know, I started out with an upper cervical technique, which we look at the the Atlas specifically and making sure it’s orthogonal and making sure that is lined up with the head and the neck and then everything else follows. And there’s other guys that were trained really specifically with the pelvis, and you know, making sure that the pelvis is balanced. And if the pelvis is balanced, then everything above will follow. Well, our, our approach being a seagull type approach is, is making sure we’ve got this three dimensional fascia that’s holding our whole body together. And we’re working on the fascia of the body to align the whole body. So when someone’s out of alignment, they’ll they’ll come in, and they’ll have a high and low shoulder alene of the pelvis, twist the head neck going off to the side, and I look at him a nice show him from behind, you know, you know, what’s out of alignment here.
Which one bone is out of alignment? Do we have one, too, are they kind of all out of alignment. And so this whole 10 seagull approach that we have is just looking at a three dimensional fascia and, and aligning the body that way because the bones are only keeping the structure there. But the the tension lines are what’s holding us in place. Now, when you talk about the fashio I know what that is. But, you know, I’ve heard to explain like,
Dr. Mark Sherwood 6:21
sort of your, your, your, your fiber suit, sorta, you know, I’ve heard it explained like that, but, but really kind of break it down for our listeners, what is fascia? What is facial tissue? And then, you know, when you talk about this misalignment, you know, what does that mean that happening with the fascia?
Dr. Matt Hunt 6:38
Okay, so I’ve heard of several ways, I like the description of like a Spider Man suit, you know, it’s like, you’ve got all these lines that are running from the top of our head, we’ve got, we’ve got fascia, we’ve got muscles and ligaments and tendons and, and that’s just running literally, you can, you can follow some of this fashio all the way down to the toes. You know, I had a guy, for instance, that came in the office last week, I hadn’t seen him in a couple of years, unfortunately. But he came in he was like, I was like, Doc, this is this is as much range of motion as I have with my arm. He goes, I can do this and bring it up. And so we we worked on is just the fascia and his neck, and that, that we always touch. And with that, after one adjustment, he goes, Oh, how cool was that? Huh? He walked, he walked out and talk to us why I said, show your wife we walked out in the little reception area. And he showed him you start raising those Arvin and her how her jaw just dropped as watching his whole arm go up. Because it wasn’t it wasn’t a shoulder issue. It was a it was a fascia issue that is holding the body in a locked and stressed position. And so a lot of times we’ll talk about it even as a balloon type system, you know, you start poking on this balloon, and you start seeing all these, you can see the wrinkles going in there. It’s all this. It’s, it’s a 10 SQL type thing that’s holding this balloon together and you push here, and everything goes to that area, and it causes compromise, and you’ll see it move and the balloon will move in other areas, our bodies similar to that as well, as we’re, as we’re working with things will will will start seeing the unwind the body just through the fashio. That’s really cool.
Dr. Mark Sherwood 8:19
Now you we were talking in the office recently, you and I and my wife and your co worker, Dr. Paxton, and we were talking about and I I liked the description that I think one of you use is like almost like a crinkled Tin Can that has kind of gotten off course a little bit. And you’re talking about straightening up this whole fibrous muscular ligature structure and making it whole again, in its original shape. Is that is that kind of accurate? what you’re talking about?
Dr. Matt Hunt 8:48
Yeah, yeah, Yes, for sure. We’re, you know, and one of the biggest things that we talk about with this is the twist me and just when we’re talking about a can, and and how hard you know, it’s pretty difficult to crush a can. But what’s the easiest way to crush it can twist it? Yeah, to put a little twist in there, right? You put that twist in there, it compresses so much easier and so much faster. And so one of the things that we look at with our specific, the way we’re looking at things is how the body breaks down. And when it breaks down, it breaks down with a twist. And when we see people that are that are out of alignment or misaligned and they have that twist in there, we just know that they’re predisposed to having some really bad low back injuries when they’re lifting and when they’re because they already have that twist in there. It’s inherent, they don’t even realize it. And so we we add, not only do we educate about the twist, but when we make the correction, it’s it’s imperative that we’re getting the twist out of the person’s body. Because when you have that twisted, can you to take that can back up again. You got it, you can’t just pull it straight out. You got if you twist, it unwinds a lot better, but you still have all those wrinkles in there that you’ve got to that you’ve got to work out to try to get it back to functioning as optimal as possible.
Dr. Mark Sherwood 10:00
Now you mentioned that one gentleman that came in that couldn’t lift his right arm above his head. Is that the type of response you typically get with that fast of just adjusting?
Dr. Matt Hunt 10:12
I would love to say that that is what we always see is not what we always see. You know, that’s it. For some reason I felt in my spirit that he needed, I wanted to see what we had already done. And so I just asked him to do that motion. I would say that we do get great changes, but it’s not it’s not always that fast. Everyone responds differently. It depends on how long the injury has been there, you know, his for sure. It’s been over there over eight months. And he wasn’t able to lift it above that without pain with eight months. And so it’s always fun to share that. And it’s not always a spinal issue when someone has the type of injury. I would say I get I we get really I don’t want to say how often we see good responsible, we see responses fairly quickly, we really do.
Dr. Mark Sherwood 10:58
Alright, so there’s people out there that have experienced with general chiropractic, we’re we’re dealing with the subluxation to the spine, I think everybody knows what that is, you know, the manipulation? Obviously, you’re different, right? You’re talking about a whole different viewpoint, perhaps of this? What types of people would typically want to go see hot Spinal Care what what types of people do you want to see in there? And what kind of symptoms would they exhibit and thinking, that’s where I need to go to get results?
Dr. Matt Hunt 11:31
Okay, great. So one thing is, we can help anyone that has a spine, I mean, we really I’ve got, I’ve got a young man that came in had 11 fusions in his spine, a lot of stuff going on, and we didn’t have to move bones to give him some relief. Now, unfortunately, we do typically see most people that are in pain. Now we do get, the occasional person says, Hey, I just want to be healthier, I just want to feel better, I want to be optimal. And so those people we can help as well. But the typical people we’re going to see are that, like I mentioned earlier, the headaches, the neck pain, the low back pains, ribs, stuff in between the bat, you know, in between the shoulder blades, those are the big things that we’ll see as far as pain issues that we get.
Dr. Mark Sherwood 12:15
When someone comes in, obviously, you know, that’s the kind of, you know, we would see those things are common maladies or common complaints or symptoms around the globe in different places and up and primary care offices to you’re talking about dealing with something from a factual standpoint versus really a musculoskeletal and or probably both, but, you know, when you got these people coming in like this, what are they going to get from you, that would be perhaps different from the traditional or more of the subluxation, manipulation, chiropractic care.
Dr. Matt Hunt 12:49
Okay. So, I love chiropractic, chiropractic works. It does, it helps a lot of people, the traditional people that we will see a lot of people that are coming to us are coming from either they just want, they got lucky. And they found us I kind of jokingly say that because you know, I think that you know, we do the best that we can we get to give our 100% every single time and we would do really good work, or or they’d been the other route. And they didn’t like the twisting or the popping of the cracking. And so with our approach, it’s very, very gentle. There’s no twisting or popping or cracking. That’s something that is a pretty big benefit that a lot of people like the idea that, you know, Uncle Bob went to the chiropractor, and he saw star so you know, I don’t want that to happen to me. And so that’s, you know, that’s not really why I do what I do. I’ve just I’ve been under this type of care for years. And I as I grew up under chiropractic care, I saw the benefits that it did not just with aches and pains, but even in sports just I felt like I was always a little step ahead of those the other guys on the team.
Dr. Mark Sherwood 13:59
Now you obviously have chosen this unique niche, you know what I mean? You kind of touched on it, but kind of go into it. What drove you down this pathway to say, I’m gonna go in this area and this is what I believe in what was that thing?
Dr. Matt Hunt 14:15
Wow. You know, just like, basically from childhood I was I went to my mom was going to the chiropractor. And in his office, she saw a sign on the wall that or is a poster on the wall that had like a big tree on it. And it said as the twig is bent, so grows the tree and the seed on her in her mind, which I need to find that from my office. I love that, um, that planted the seed for her that I’ve got this kid at home that as fallen a lot trying to learn how to walk. He rides a bike now he’s fallen off of his bike, he’s in sports, he’s an athlete, you know, there’s there’s things that are gonna he’s going to need some help and If I can catch this early on, it’s going to make a difference. I noticed, you know, I’m not sure I’m not I’m not a tall guy by any means. I played basketball, love playing basketball. And I noticed a difference between when I was in alignment. And when I was not in alignment, not from pain or aches, but how I performed on the basketball court. So those, those are the things that drove me to do what I do. My I love when I when I was, I think I was sixth grade, I made a decision that I wanted to be a chiropractor, sixth grade, sixth grade, wow. And I loved I loved helping people, I love talking with people, I love being around people, I love putting my you know, working with my hands. And so it was just a great, it was a great fit for me it is to be able to say, hey, not only, you know, my passion is helping people. And now I get to educate and I get to interact with not about the physical and chemical and emotional things as well. Do you? Is
Dr. Mark Sherwood 15:58
it going to cause people pain when they come see you for your treatment?
Dr. Matt Hunt 16:06
I will say almost 100% of the time, we’re not going to cause anything. Yeah, I you know, we have a person coming in from Oklahoma City that a chiropractor there referred to us a couple weeks ago. And you know, there, there’s always some some interesting cases that you’re going to run across that are going to have different responses. But me putting my hands on you. It’s less than a massage type of feel when we work on the person. And so everyone responds differently to it. Sometimes people won’t feel anything that day. But the next day or that night, their muscles are sore, you know, like they had a good workout. Yeah, or even you three or four days down the road, I’ll warn people that sometimes you might have some neurologic things kind of show up calm and go away. And that’s a little bit what my oklahoma city girl is kind of noticing. She’s noticing some old, old injuries that have that were there that haven’t been addressed her nervous system starting to wake up, she’s feeling some of these aches and pains. And she’s like, what’s going on?
Dr. Mark Sherwood 17:10
That’s fascinating. You said that I want to kind of touch on that. Because a lot of times people are going to see it in our office a lot they misinterpret. And it’s the wrong context of pain, pain is telling you something. So I want you to kind of tag on this idea. And you can use her case as example. Why does pain tell you what what is being communicated in general with that?
Dr. Matt Hunt 17:33
Well, from my experience, what I’ve seen is sometimes people’s bodies have just shut down. I mean, their old shoulder injury, it’s there, it’s been there for years, and your body has just said, I don’t know, I don’t know, I can’t do anything else. And so we start opening up those pathways for that nerves to go to that area, and that nerve to go back up to this area. And it starts showing some pain, it starts letting the body know that hey, there’s something going on there that needs to be addressed. And usually when that happens, I got a phone call from her on Saturday, last last weekend, this hour on Friday. And she was like, ah, what’s going on? Yeah, by Monday, or actually, by the end of Saturday, her body had responded and had adapted to the new place that we had put it in.
Dr. Mark Sherwood 18:20
So in that context, the sort of the reappearance of pain was actually a benefit because it was telling you got nerve connection there given the signal that was supposed to be all along but he got tired of doing that and it wasn’t getting any resolve. Is that is that fairly accurate? Got a doc? Absolutely. So you know, when you have someone if you had to there’s a lot of people listen to our podcast around locally and nationally. What kind of person I mean, he mentioned that they got his spine but what would be your, your ideal person or persons to see.
Dr. Matt Hunt 18:57
You know, people people need help, you know, our we have a we have a mission is to help people. Our goal is to give 100% all the time to help them physically, chemically, emotionally. You know, we’ve got several things that we can help people with people that are dealing with everyday aches and pains if they think that they just that they think that it’s normal. I think you said something very well earlier. It is not it’s common that people hurt, but it’s not normal. It’s not a normal thing for people to be in pain, right. And so I think those people that have some common aches and pains that that they would love to have addressed. I’ve had people that have come in that have had headaches for three weeks, every single day, and we adjust them and within a day or two they don’t have headaches anymore. I’ve got people that I’ve got several patients that have veneers that I’ve got one lady right now that she’s like, I’m ready to get off some of these medications. And I’ve been telling her for a year that she should be getting off these medications, but she’s like, I haven’t had a migraine in like almost a year and so she’s just amazed that She’s doing so well through the gentle chiropractic approach. And she’s just on a regular wellness maintenance kind of checkup thing right now. And she’s just doing amazing. So we have a lot of different people that, that just think that headaches are normal, and educate people that it headaches are not normal.
Dr. Mark Sherwood 20:20
I think you hit on something key right there. And I want to piggyback on a lot because I’ll use the word interference, there’s a lot of interference, right now with truth. And truth gets clouded. And some of the interference says that it’s normal to be sick, it’s normal to be on these medications. It’s normal, again, extra fat tissue, it’s normal to not feel good as part of the aging process. Folks, that is just nothing but interference, and it’s garbage. It will cloud drew information every time and we’ve got to correct the communication in the body, much as we correct communication with each other. Now, I will tell you, you know, as by the time, you know, we you’re listening to this right now, my wife and I had already been treated by Matt. So we are if you’re hearing our voice, we’re still alive. So there’s a good thing to know. Right? But now we’re excited because we believe in what you’re doing. We believe in how you’re doing it and love the heart behind it. Um, how can people get ahold of you follow you connect with you see, how’s that work? And kind of tell us about what maybe, once they do that, was the first concert look like?
Dr. Matt Hunt 21:30
Absolutely, great question. The best way to get in touch with us is via phone, you can go to our website, and we will reach out to you if you want us to do that as well. We can call you directly our phone numbers 918-459-0333 and 9184 or 590333, just in case they don’t want to reverse rewind For a second there. And then also we can do online, you can set up appointments that way, you know when the website again, hunt, spinal care.com, hunt Spinal Care, calm. And we will make sure
Dr. Mark Sherwood 22:06
folks to put the website Dr. mats contact in the show notes below the feed. So make sure you go by there and and if you’re in the area, and I’m not just talking Tulsa area, I’m talking about the regional area. It’s worth your visit. I know. I know Dr. Matt Personally, I know his family, his parents I know. And it is a blessing and honor that I get to call him my friend and introduce him to everyone today. Matt, there’s people out there right now you got to show the floor right now. And there’s they’re hurting. They’re like, they’ve got pain. They’ve got this persistent thing that’s going on that they’ve said it can’t go away. It’s impossible. Their primary care has said you got to live with this just toughen up, take some leave, take some ibuprofen and cowboy up. Right? What are you going to tell that person?
Dr. Matt Hunt 22:58
So there’s many things you can do I have patients every day that come in that, you know, ibuprofen could help them. Aleve could help them? What are you interested in? Are you interested in getting to the root cause of the problem? Are you interested in just treating a symptom? That is what we’re after? You asked me earlier, what do we do on an initial visit I didn’t get there, I apologize. initial visit, we want to find out if you’re in the right place. That’s the first thing you know, if you we fill out the information, I sit down with you for a constant short consultation to find out what’s going on. Find out if you’re in the right place. I’ve had people that I said you are not in the right place. You know, there there’s a time and a place you’ve got to know if this is if this is up your alley or not. And so that’s that’s one of the first things we need to find out. I had people that have come in for chiropractic that needed neurofeedback, and we offer neurofeedback in the office because there’s not just a physical thing going on, there’s an emotional thing that’s attached to how the brain is functioning. And if we can help them with their anxiety, or their depression, or their ADHD, it’s going to help their entire body function better. So that’s another aspect that we haven’t gotten to yet. But that’s just part of that initial consultation to find out what we need to do. And the next step would be, we do that that’s posture analysis. Because just like all of the other chiropractors, there’s some kind of analysis that we’re do. But when we look at that the spine, we look at that pelvis, we look how it’s twisted, we look at the spine, the look how it’s leaning Milka the shoulders, and see how it’s leaning and how they’re twisted as well, as well as the neck and the head, and how everything is moving around the eyes as part of the initial consultation. And we do that on every follow up visit. Because we don’t want to take an extra every time we don’t need an X ray every time we just want to see at what point in this flow pattern we’re in and how to continue to unwind the spine and that fascia so that the body will function optimally. So there’ll be as little If no interference possible, we also do some tests and some exams in the back that that measure kind of like I mentioned earlier, pain is 1/9 of the nervous system. The other eight nines is controlling the organs, glands, tissues, and the muscles, we have an instrument in the back that measures how the muscles are functioning right off of the skin. Parris, finally as well as the thermography, finding out how the autonomic nerves are functioning from the spine. So these are things that we’re able to measure and follow up with as well, we find anything going on, we take some x rays to see what is going on. Because I kind of like it’s nice to hear the engine, you kind of get an idea of what’s going on. But if you’re you know, if you’re a mechanic, you probably still want to look under the hood at some point. So we get those x rays, just to make sure there’s nothing crazy going on and make sure that we’re in the right place. So that’s the initial consultation, I always try to find out where people are at, if they want to symptomatic relief. Okay, but if they want to dive a little deeper and get some optimal recommendations on the follow up visit, that’s when we go over everything. And we just say, Hey, this is what we would recommend. We have laser therapy that will help out with ligaments and tendons, and soft tissue issues, and muscles, all of these types of things that will help your body heal faster, as well as along with the chiropractic adjustment on the on the chiropractic side.
Dr. Mark Sherwood 26:17
When you say complete Spinal Care, you mean it sir. That’s, that’s impressive. I love that. So we have indeed, folks, we’ve shared patients back and forth. So I have complete confidence in Dr. Matt and his team. Most importantly, have confidence in you as an individual person. So that means a lot. And I really appreciate you. you joining us today website one more time and number one more time, Our phone
Dr. Matt Hunt 26:44
number is 918-459-0333. And the website is huntspinalcare.com or theTulsachiropractor.com
Dr. Mark Sherwood 26:53
loving, we’ll make sure to have those in the show notes. And folks, this is what we’re talking about, you know, health care. The Missing Link is really not having the right team around, quite frankly, it’s not having the right faith around not having the right belief around him. We got to change it. And I think Dr. Matt shared a new word for us today. interference, get out the interference. Dr. Matt, thanks for joining me today. I just I’m really grateful. So thank you. Thank you for your time. Well, folks, there it is. Dr. Matt hunt, hunt Spinal Care Tulsa, Oklahoma. If you’re in the area, getting the shownotes right now call him look my website and schedule appointment there you schedule a phone call, they can call you back and talk to you a little bit. Make sure to go again once again to sherwood.tv take five seconds to subscribe to our newsletter. Why? Because we want to give you some free stuff and find out what and who’s coming next. Of course, that’s important. So sherwood.tv right now and we’ll look forward to seeing you on the next edition of health care’s missing link. Bye for now.
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